Montauk Daisies What Do I do in Spring ?
I really love the Montauk Daisies in the Fall. I was wondering this weekend as I was cleaning up my gardens, Do I just trim them down, or cut them all the way to the ground ? They are a couple of years old and are getting large and straggly..
LOSTPINE
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(post #10375, reply #1 of 34)
Ah, interesting to know that. I got three from a plant and seed swap last year and they're greening up nicely now. Something pruned the tops on them so I don't think mine are likely to get straggly this year.
However, I checked around and got this:
http://hsny.blogspot.com/2008/11/montauk-daises.html
so perhaps pruning is a good idea and thank you for alerting me to the need to do so.
Northern Virginia, Zone 7A.
Northern Virginia, Zone 7A.
(post #10375, reply #2 of 34)
THanks Abbie. THat is a great site. I will add it to my favorites!
LostPine
SNJ Zone 7
(post #10375, reply #3 of 34)
Hi, Abbie....just got clued into "Outline" on the site....and found this thread again. Anyway, where can I get Montauk Daisies? Are they normally sold by nurseries or will I have to order. I would like a daisy that blooms in the fall - my garden needs some white. Thanks, Pat/Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #4 of 34)
You can usually get them just about everywhere Lunaria. Home Depot and Lowes has them in the Summer to Fall time line. They are one of my favorites. They can be trimmed to look like a shrub during the Summer. Then you get a bonus in the Fall with burst of Daisies.
LostPine
(post #10375, reply #5 of 34)
Thanks so much. I don't know how I gardened all my life and never tried these. Oh, wait....it was because I didn't have full sun. I hope they have no special needs and can take my hot/humid summers, plus barely adequate clay soil. They don't need anyting like "perfect" drainage do they? Pat
Edited 3/25/2009 7:20 pm ET by Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #6 of 34)
Not at all ! THey are drought resisant. You can divie tham just about every 2 years....My property has a ton of them...
Good Luck !
LostPine
(post #10375, reply #8 of 34)
Wow....can't wait to plant them. They should look pretty good with my asters, sedum, and my annual Pineapple Sage. Pat
(post #10375, reply #9 of 34)
Enjoy ! You will love them !
LostPine
(post #10375, reply #14 of 34)
I don't suppose you would know the name of a similar long-stemmed daisy type mum that is very lght pink. There are in a garden here, but the lady doesn't know their name though she thinks its a mum. In the slanting light of September, they become absolutely luminous. Or are there any other colors of Montauks? Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #16 of 34)
There are several single pinks in that category, including Ryan's Pink, Venus (paler, fragrant), Country Girl, Cambodian Queen, Clara Curtis. Niche Gardens has a nice selection ( http://www.nichegardens.com/catalog/list.php?search=true&nameType=genus&name=chrysanthemum&zone=anyexposure=any&category=any&sform=any ), as does Lazy S'S ( http://www.lazyssfarm.com/Plants/Perennials/C_files/Ce-Ci.htm ). BTW, I think they're all even prettier in person than in photos. Also, they've suffered some name changes in the past few years, from Chrysanthemum to Dendranthema, back to Chrysanthemum now, so don't let that throw you if you do an internet search.
North Carolina - zone 7
North Carolina - zone 7
(post #10375, reply #17 of 34)
Two that come to mind are chrysanthemum "Clara Curtis" and "Sheffield Pink". I'm sure I have seen one or the other described as luminous. They are both really old varieties.
(post #10375, reply #18 of 34)
Thanks, 1965.....yes, I saw them in a very old established garden here in Bloomington. I may have to get greedy and get both the while and a pink, too.
Ah, a never ending wonderful delimema. :D So many plants....so little time....so little money. Pat/Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #19 of 34)
Clara Curtis is fairly short and is a spreader from the roots. I love it anyway, as it's not too hard to cut back. Just don't plant it near your most treasured shrubs. Due to its spreading nature, you can probably find it at any local garden club plant sale.
(post #10375, reply #20 of 34)
Thanks for tip. Will watch for local "swaps." :Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #21 of 34)
Or if you're ever in our area, I can give you 2 or 3 pounds of it.
(post #10375, reply #22 of 34)
Thanks for the offer, but not planning going east anytime soon. :D Pat
(post #10375, reply #23 of 34)
To continue this thread I have a question about a mum-like plant I have. Here is a description I wrote when I first signed onto these forums, but not in over the fence, I think. Never received a reply. Sorry...no photo yet.
Blooms up the stem not just at the end. Flowers look like little yellow button mums. Uniquely blooms late after frost and is very cold hardy. Spreads like a mint by runners. Has a leaf that looks like a mum leaf. This is a very old plant - name unknown. Does anyone have this plant or know what it might be?
Pat/Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #24 of 34)
A few things come to mind. Try googling Anthemis tinctoria, Chrysanthemum parthenium or Tanacetum vulgare.
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
(post #10375, reply #25 of 34)
Thanks...will do. Pat
Nope, nope, and nope - not any of the ones your suggested. I am familiar with all of them and confirmed on Google.
Its flowering habit is different. Flowers bloom not only at the top but on short little stems all the way up the main stem. The flowers are a little bigger than tansy buttons....and are not really "buttons" but are just cute little tight flowers about an inch in diameter. ....It stand upright, but in bloom tends to flop over. It can be severely pruned.
It's a real puzzle. Oh, yes and it has a pretty little habit of turning red (leaves) after the frost(s), but the darn thing keeps on blooming until a few freezes finally knock it down. It is really something. Pat
Edited 3/30/2009 10:37 pm ET by Lunaria
Edited 3/30/2009 10:44 pm ET by Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #26 of 34)
Any chance it is Ajania Pacifica? It has yellow button blooms and mum-like leaves, spreads by rhizomes, and is rated as hardy to zone 5. Not sure it qualifies as having blooms all down the stem. See what you think.
(post #10375, reply #27 of 34)
Close, but I don't think so. The flowers are about the right size, but are actually "flatter" - not as round. And there are only a few at the top of the stem. The ones in the photo appear to have a larger group.
Well, appreciate your research. I actually haven't taken a specimen to my favorite nursery.....guess I should this year when it blooms. In the meantime, I just enjoy its vigor. Pat/Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #28 of 34)
Boy, now you've really got me both curious and stumped. I'd love to see a picture; it sounds like a little gem. I'm still guessing here, but any chance it's a Matricaria?
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
(post #10375, reply #29 of 34)
No....looked up under 3 names on Wikipedia....leaves are wrong and flowers to small. The leaves truly look like those of a cushion mum. Hope you are having a nice day today. Pat
(post #10375, reply #30 of 34)
I have a small flowered, late blooming yellow chrysanthemum called 'Mrs. Clarkson' -- very frost resistant and blooms all the way until Christmas here in NC zone 7. The flowers have that button shape you describe. I got mine at Niche Gardens off the dollar table a few years ago though I've never actually seen it listed in any of their catalogs. I think it may have been something they propagated for local sale from the garden of someone who works there. My impression is that it's a pretty old cultivar, but I've never been able to find much mention of it on an internet search. (It's amazing how many hits you get with 'chrysanthemum' and 'clarkson'.) I don't remember if I took a picture of it in bloom but I'll look through my old files this evening and see if I can find one.
North Carolina - zone 7
North Carolina - zone 7
(post #10375, reply #31 of 34)
Thank you so much, Karen, for helping with my "mystery" mum. This is the first indication that anyone might remember it. This is what I like about this forum. There are so many of you out there to help out with research like this. You are right, though, I have never seen anything like it in any well-known catalogs.
It is always fun to identify another antique. I now know the name of one of my favorite old Iris - Wabash. I don't have any right now, but at least know what to look/ask for.
Next task....two spider-type blooming daylilies I received back in the 60's. I have retrieved the pure yellow one and am still trying to remember who I gave my yellow-orange one to. With a specimen of the latter I won a Horticulture Best of Show ribbon years ago at a regional flower show, so I am kinda of sentimental about it. This yellow-orange one had an enchanting irridesence (sp), and the yellow one was uniquely fragrant - sort of lemony like the very old Lemon Lily.
I guess I have this obsession because I am an antique, too. :D Pat/Lunaria
(post #10375, reply #32 of 34)
Pat, I've looked and looked but I can't find a photo of that mum. If we can remember, we should both take photos in the fall so we can compare them.
North Carolina - zone 7
North Carolina - zone 7
(post #10375, reply #33 of 34)
Thanks for all your effort. Based on your description I think you have already found it. We'll commiserate with photos this year. Thanks again, Pat
(post #10375, reply #7 of 34)
You can usually get them just about everywhere Lunaria. Home Depot and Lowes has them in the Summer to Fall time line. They are one of my favorites. They can be trimmed to look like a shrub during the Summer. Then you get a bonus in the Fall with burst of Daisies.
LostPine
(post #10375, reply #10 of 34)
Hi Pat,
You're probably best off just searching the net. Dave's Garden is handy for looking for sources; I just found eight for franklinia trees.
The ones I have came from a Master Gardener plant sale so they were rooted cuttings from a gardener's plants. Good luck finding them. They seem to be easy to grow except for being appetizing to some sort of critter.
Abbie
Northern Virginia, Zone 7A.
Northern Virginia, Zone 7A.
(post #10375, reply #11 of 34)
ruh row....is this critter four legged and sometimes antlered?