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Any ideas what to use for a 10 x13 pond for a liner besides the ones you buy at landscape stores ,the see expensive?
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My DH got some roofing material, the black rubbery stuff--It may have been a used piece or a remnant from a job (it was several years ago and I've forgotten.) We did have to seam two pieces together I recall. Heavy stuff though, not easy to handle with just a couple of people.
After a terrible winter here with thick ice and a lot of snow cover we were delighted that the relatively clear water and the the 2 bubblers combined to get all of our big koi through the winter unharmed. Most are in the 2-3 feet long range and almost members of the family now. We are happy ponders. ;)
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(post #15322, reply #2 of 25)
Thanks I never thought of that,and I have a roofer friend too cause I am a contractor
(post #15322, reply #4 of 25)
Good idea for the roofing material--we just got our flat-roofed house re-roofed, and they used the heavy duty Geneflex stuff that goes on the roofs of sports domes and factories. Very heavy stuff. Did you have to seam yours with a propane torch?
Ours is white on one side and gray on the other, though, so it wouldn't be good for a pond. I'll have to ask the contractors if they use the darker stuff and if they ever have any leftover.
Thanks!
Leigh
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No, I don't recall a torch being involved, just some special glue.
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(post #15322, reply #6 of 25)
Hmmm, I must be thinking of a different product. But, you got my gears cranking, and I bet this stuff would work for a pond liner. Where's that contractor's number. . .
Leigh
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Hi! I'm a new comer that just happened to run onto this site. I read this thread and wanted to let you know that I was told that roofing rubber has chemicals in it and it will kill fish if you intend on putting fish in your ponds. Otherwise, it's a very thick rubber perfect for lining a pool! My hubby is a commercial roofer and we have rubber off jobs laying all over the place at our house. A multitude of uses for it. I just thought I'd let you know what I had heard about fish dying from the chemicals. Great site!!
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Hi Dixon, please don't tell these fish that they're supposed to be dead. They've almost doubled in size since this picture was taken about 3 years ago.
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(post #15322, reply #9 of 25)
I have heard this too, but have not heard any first hand accounts of fish dying because of this. On the otherhand, I have lost all fish I temporarily housed in a rubbermaid type container- black cement mixing trough was also deadly... beware any plastic tub not meant for food use. Many water hoses contain the same plasticizers, so look for a hose safe for drinking water.
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While on the subject of a pond,would any one know of a site where I can view pond designs? Lenny was kind enough to dig me a hole yesterday and I think what he envisions is different from the ideas in my head. I guess we are mostly interested in different ways to edge the pond and the different stones. He likes things very formal,symmetric...........and I like the natural look,very informal. So I thought is we could see some sample,maybe we could agree on something.Thanks,looking forward to any kind of help.
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My suggestion is that you check Google Images for Pond design and start clicking. Lots of ideas there.
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(post #15322, reply #15 of 25)
Thanks Jean,I will check that out.I had tried pond construction and didn't get a whole lot of pic.............pond design should bring me more of what I want to see.
(post #15322, reply #12 of 25)
We lined our pond with flat rocks gathered from surrounding areas and they look very natural, the little creatures seem to like them too we have seen toads, chipmunks, salamanders, frogs and yes an occasional garter snake ...all take up residence around the pond... when it stops raining I'll post a pic!
PS I once attended a lecture about garden ponds and she recommended using a hard liner if you're in an area with alot of racoons because they tend to "swipe "at the fish and can rip a rubber liner!
We love our pond, I even made a three tier waterfall of layered rocks of which i am extrordinately proud! Goodluck!
(post #15322, reply #13 of 25)
Well rather than go out in the rain here is a pic from a few years ago but it shows how we lined it with the rocks! All the green plants in the foreground have been pulled out as they turned out to be incredibly invasive!
Edited 5/23/2005 8:59 pm ET by Tricia
(post #15322, reply #14 of 25)
Thanks Tricia,your pond looks great.I like the natural look.How big is it? Lenny wants to add a waterfall and he has another idea.We visited the Opryland Hotel and they had this light show set to fountains...............Lenny's idea now is to (scaled down) have water spraying/misting into the pond with coloured lights shining into the spray of water.So much for the natural look.Mind you,he has only just put the liner in,so we are not ready for any light show.I wonder if toads and frogs mind the colourful lights?
(post #15322, reply #16 of 25)
Tricia -- That's beautiful! Do you have fish?
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(post #15322, reply #17 of 25)
Lennyswife and Ann
We have a few koi and mostly goldfish and every spring my husband puts in some tadpoles that the kids love watching grow into frogs... the pond is about 10 feet long by about 7 feet wide and 3 feet deep so it doesn't freeze to the ground and in the winter the fish hang out at the bottom and we are never sure what the frogs do but they do reappear each spring! Now that it's been in for sev years there are plenty of places for the little creatures to hibernate... We also light it at night because it looks so cool ...the frogs don't seem to mind as the light attracts the bugs for them!
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I would love to put in a pond some day, but my only concern is all the little kids that wander around the neighborhood and through everyone's yard. I understand that you have to build them deep, 3 - 4', and steep so racoons can't get at the fish. I have this recurring thought of some neighbor's kid falling in my pond and drowning when no one's around. Any thoughts on this?
(post #15322, reply #19 of 25)
when we built the pond my kids were still little 6 and 10, and I had the same concern so we only dug it three feet deep the minimum so it wouldn't freeze to the ground, and though something bad can happen in three feet of water i was comfortable with that and of course lots of reminders to be careful when watching the fish etc... my big concern was not so much drowning but the side of the liner is slippery and if anyone did fall in they would need help getting out...
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I've had 2 ponds-both in fenced back yards. When my DD was young-@ 3 she stuck a toe in the pond and it was cold so she sat down and cried. I was there to the rescue. The edges were sloped in that one. In our current pond there are planting benches for the shallow water lovers built into the sides. My SIL had a metal grate built for hers that she sank just a few inches below water level. You couldnt see the grate but it kept her kids and now g-kids out of trouble. Maybe you could combine the 2 concepts. Note on liners- THey last longer if covered with rock. THe bacteria that process nutrients and cut down on the green menace live welll among the rocks. So its not necessary or desirable to leave liner exposed.
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Your pond should have ledges for plants that prefer different heights. WE built ours to be stairs in case anyone ever fell in. Of course you do have to know where teh stairs are...
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(post #15322, reply #22 of 25)
Yes, a ledge (or stairs) will be what I add to my pond for next year. My pond is now a two year work in progress - I'm learning as I go along. One reason for steps is to keep me right-side up when I climb in, for whatever reasons (mostly to set stones and pumps just right): I can't believe how slippery the pond liner gets with a little bit of scum/algae build-up.
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Can you describe how youmade your waterfall with rocks? I have a pond that I created and have a small pond pump that water goes through a turtle spout back in to the pond. But would much rather have a waterfall.
Also did you use natural product to get rid of algae? I have aloto f algae even though I have lilies and other water plants. So help there would be great also.
It is as though the rain clears it, then the heat brings it right back up in full force.
Could use ideas. Thanks
(post #15322, reply #24 of 25)
this is how ours flows... the water comes up out of the pond by using a pump goes thru hosing to a uv filter which helps eliminate the algae then goes into a filter and from there the hosing feeds back into the pond thru my waterfall... i made the water fall by layering large flat rocks and had some that their natural shape helped the flow placing the lowest level then building it up... then placed the end of the hosing under the top rocks to hide it... the filters and hosing are all hidden by plants and mulch... i'll try to find a better picture of it... we have water lillies mostly that also help with the algae...
(post #15322, reply #25 of 25)
here's a better and more recent pic... this one was taken i think last year... the main filter is behind the waterfall in back of the grasses and the uv filter sits on the ground to the right side of the pond... the hose that feeds the water back into the pond is sitting recesed under the top rock far enough back that you can't see it... i think if we had an earthquake it might all come tubling down but i'm an optimist and we don't live on a fault line!!! also the pond liner in that area comes further out so all splashing water eventually gets back into the pond... the creatures also enjoy it...
(post #15322, reply #3 of 25)
We used EPDM liner from Resource Conservation Tech. www.conservationtechnology.com in Baltimore MD. They also offer pond grade butyl. They have a full page ad the April/May issue of FineHomeBuilding.
BJ