Roses and clematis combinations
Last year I had a 8' x 8' custom cedar trellis built and placed on the western side of my property along the pathway to my house. It was stained in a blue spruce color. I am considering a classic white on white combination of a climbing rose and a clematis (or a white and purple combo). The location is zone 4, sunny all day and with the benefit of sea air.
Can anyone give me feedback on the climbing rose "Iceberg" or the white climbing rose "Sombreuil"? Or on any other long blooming climbing rose?
Can anyone give me feedback on these purple clematis plants: "Franziska", "Steboldii", or Jackmanii"?
My favorite white clematis is "Henry" which I may repeat in this location of my yard. (On another trellis attached to my house, I have Henry paired up with the Light pink New Dawn climbing rose and the combination is FABULOUS!)
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(post #15384, reply #1 of 33)
pizazz -
welcome to the forum!
I'm in Zone 8, so I can't offer any ideas here, but I did want to welcome you.
My own favorite vine combination is Clematis montana rubens and Clematis 'Niobe'. Just when the montana is smothered in its small pink blossoms 'Niobe's' large, deep red blooms emerge. I love it.
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
(post #15384, reply #2 of 33)
That all sounds so pretty! I have Henryi up a light post in the front yard and there are two of him -- way more than a little post needs. But I have a New Dawn getting ready to move to a spot by my back door (once my darling husband reshingles the back porch--oh sequences!). I hadn't thought about it until you said it, but I could put one of the Henryi's there with the rose. Wahoo.
I'm in zone 6 so I'm not much use to you for hardiness. In my yard both Henryi and Jackmanii do brilliantly every year, no matter what the winter weather was like. (As long as the lawnmower spares it.) If you want a monster bush, don't prune either of them. If you want something a little more understated, just cut to 6" in March.
J's flowers are about 1/2 the size of H's and there are loads more of them. The whole effect is much more casual-- some only have 4 petals, some have more, but they are so prolific it is just a big purple in-your-face thing. I love it. If you haven't grown it before it is really very different than Henryi but also very nice. You know to give them a few years to get established, right?
zone 6 gardening in the woods with 30,000 deer
zone 6 gardening in the woods with 30,000 deer
(post #15384, reply #10 of 33)
Great hearing from you and getting your input. Yes, I have had the Jacamani and loved it but from a distance you don't see it ..BUT pairing it with Henry I'm thinking it might look spectacular. Henry blooms all summer but doesn't Jack bloom just early summer?
Pizazz
(post #15384, reply #17 of 33)
My J. gets a huge spring bloom and then I prune it back some and get a much smaller bloom repeating through August. Mine is on the gate between the garage and the back door, so you only see it very close (which is why I cut it back some, so it stays out of my hair).
zone 6 gardening in the woods with 30,000 deer
zone 6 gardening in the woods with 30,000 deer
(post #15384, reply #3 of 33)
I have a Sombreuil (Colonial White) climbing up the trellis/arbor in my backyard. It is a fast climber (mine is only three years old and has reached the apex of the arbor), wonderfully fragrant - sort of a lemon and rose scent - and prolific rose. The scent just draws you out the back door! It is multi petaled and does not seem to suffer from blackspot.
The only drawback is the thorns. There are lots of them and they are painfully sharp!
It really is worth it, despite the thorns. Our heat and humidity slow it down some but they don't stop it.
mimi
(post #15384, reply #9 of 33)
Hi Mimi
What zone are you in? Thank you for your input!
Pizazz
(post #15384, reply #11 of 33)
Zone 7, or Middle South. Delaware gets enough of a coastal effect to warrant middle south!
Mimi
(post #15384, reply #4 of 33)
Pizazz -
My own favorite climbing roses are Zepherine drouhin and Climbing Joseph's Coat. Much has been said about Zeph's ability to become amazingly rampant, but mine is well behaved. Joseph's Coat would be hard to combine w/ Clematis in my mind.
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
Marty
"The plants have been good to us." Lester Hawkins
(post #15384, reply #5 of 33)
Marty....
Thanks for the tips. I do have Zepherine Douhin and agree with your accessment.
(post #15384, reply #6 of 33)
I had a climbing Iceberg here in zone 5a and it was very prone to blackspot and died back to the ground the first two winters. It shovel pruned after that. Sombreuil is only hardy to zone 6 so she won't do well for you at all. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any hardy white climbers. I'll see what I can dig up, though.
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
Ann
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
(post #15384, reply #7 of 33)
Sad to hear this about the climbing Iceberg....Edmunds Nursery has given the Sombreii a strong winter hardy description BUT I have read it is a zone 6 rose. Do I take a chance plant it and then for the winter give it a great big pile of seaweed mulch ???????????????
Thanks for your input...
Pizazz
(post #15384, reply #8 of 33)
Well, if you weren't looking for a climber, I would say fine. But, a climber that dies back to the ground every winter isn't going to get very tall. :-( And, you'll miss the first spring flush, which is usually the best. So, while I might get her as a shrub rose, I wouldn't waste the time and money on her as a climber. It takes a few years for a climber to get established and really take off, anyway. So, you'ld do better getting something that is hardy.
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
Ann
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
(post #15384, reply #12 of 33)
You do have a dozie of a situation. It would seem that some of the antique roses, Madame Hardy for example would solve your problem. However, it's a single bloomer. But it's so beautiful and disease resistent until it's worth it. I love it. I underplant it with, David Austin's "Winchester Cathedral," this gives me blooms through December. I'd weave in BOTH Jackimani (it's an earlybloomer in zone 9) AND Clematis Polish Spirit - a super late bloomer - and it's the viticella variety, which means it doesn't ever succumb to that clematis wilt!!! The more I water and feed the Polish Spirit, the longer the flowers, flourish!! It's often hard to cut it down in December, because it's still flowering.
I know it's not what you're looking for but, what's super hardy in your zone (or so I read) is Rosa 'William Baffin - It's pink with a love yellow center; and totally disease resistent; and of course hardy in your zone. Imagine that with Clematis Henryi - fabulous!
Good luck.
Chana
(post #15384, reply #13 of 33)
I agree on William Baffin. All my other roses get dieback, but none on Wm Baffin! it has reached the top of the trellis in 3 years. Last year (year 3), it bloomed a little bit after the first flush, but it is mostly a one time bloomer. And not much fragrance. But even still, for 3-4 weeks it is the most wonderful rose. I have paired it with Huldine which is nice and it reblooms throughout the season. Huldine is really great for looking up and seeing the back of it:
(post #15384, reply #14 of 33)
Great minds...
Chana
(post #15384, reply #20 of 33)
Take a read of message 17 - it was directed at you. Thanks for the lovely pics.
Chana
(post #15384, reply #21 of 33)
Thanks on the pics. I got addicted to clematis several years ago but it has calmed down lately. I try to grow them on shrubs, but its tricky. they do much better on trellises and obelisks.
Lately I've been hooked on hosta. I love roses too but in my climate, I really can (should) only do the hardy shrub type.
Happy Gardening!
(post #15384, reply #22 of 33)
Thank you, thank you for sharing your beautiful photo album...incredible collection of clematis and lovely ideas on perrenials. I keep going back to your album as a reference point. Your photography is awesome. How long does the Niobe bloom? It looks like one of your favorites.
Pizazz
(post #15384, reply #15 of 33)
My friend has a William Baffin that covers about a third of her house!! Mine is still young, but it has the prettiest spring flush of those pink flowers. I also love Madame Hardy, but she's not really a climber. Mine's only 6' tall. Hmmm, maybe she'ld get bigger if I gave her some support? Hmmm.
There are some white ramblers that might be hardy enough, but they're once bloomers.
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
Ann
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
(post #15384, reply #16 of 33)
Ann,
I've been so enchanted by your photobook. Your family is sweet and lovely; as paralled by your garden. The number of clematis that you have is incredible. I also like that they are growing by themselves. Mine are always wound around some plant. I agree with you on Will Goodwin. He disappointed in the worst way - my home and garden was on tour and he died the day before!!
Thank you for sharing. I'll post some of my pics soon. My Royal Sunset climber is fabulous as is my Eden and the first clematis has already opened and the buds are getting really, really large. The sweet peas are opening and the wisteria is just beginning to drip.
Chana
(post #15384, reply #18 of 33)
Uhm, I think you have me confused with someone else! I don't have a photobook, no family, except for the 4-legged critters, and, well, while I enjoy my gardens, they're really pretty much a mess of plants stuck in the ground here and there with not much thought of design. :-(
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
Ann
"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too." Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux
(post #15384, reply #19 of 33)
Sorry Ann,
You are correct, that comment was intended for GardenGal4, but I'm sure it extends to all of us ornamental gardeners - we're proud of what we have created on our slice of earth.
Chana
(post #15384, reply #23 of 33)
Jackmanii likes to be cut back to about six inches in the spring, it will grow faster and thicker if you do. MY favorite clematis is 'Ernest Markham' , it blooms reddish pink, it has lots and lots of blooms every year and increases rapidly. Mine is in the sun all day and has been a faithful performer for at least ten years. I also love 'Henri', it is blooming in among two others, 'multi blue' and a pink (countess bouchard, I think).
I am new to this site also, and I would have done a more exotic screen name , like 'happily chained to my garden', but, i thought it would be too many letters, so, I did my birhtday. Nice to meet other fanatics!
(post #15384, reply #24 of 33)
Welcome to the club of gardeners. The forum is so much fun and INFORMATIVE. How neat it is to learn about favorite plants and tips from other gardeners.
Thank you for your input. "The Earnest Markham" is a very pretty and popular clematis. I had a "Nelly Moser" (pink and blooms all summer)years ago at another home and loved it.
(post #15384, reply #25 of 33)
thank you for the welcome. i'm sure you are just like me at this time of year, chomping at the bit to get outside. i live in new york and there is still snow. i have ordered new plants and can't wait to get my hands in the soil. like i said in one of my replys, i should have used as my screen name, 'happily chained to my garden', but i thought it would be too many letters. i always love chatting with another garden fanatic and look forward to other conversations. have a great season!
(post #15384, reply #26 of 33)
Where in NY? I grew up in western NY in Ransomville/Youngstown (Niagara Falls area)....and most of my adult years until my husband died in West Nyack...I now have gardens in Connecticut and Maine
(post #15384, reply #27 of 33)
our first house was in cheektowaga, then orchard park, now holland. we have been here for 22 years and love it. we are in the middle of a hundred acre farm (not ours) and when we moved here it was all yard. it is now only two-thirds yard, the rest is gardens. i had no bushes, trees or shade of any kind. we made it! we now have a good mix of shade and sun. my two passions are roses and hostas. i have other plants, but those two dominate the gardens. i happily grow about 300 hostas and 150 roses . keeps me busy but, i love it! the outdoors moves me like music does. i feel God in creation and it gives me great joy. it's nice chatting with another fanatic. have a great week!
(post #15384, reply #28 of 33)
I don't know hwere Hollan is in NY ...is it near Buffalo? Nice hearing from you. You must have a favorite rose?????????????...do you have a slug problem with any of your hosta's and what do you do?
I'm impressed with your vision and energy to create your garden space.
(post #15384, reply #29 of 33)
HOLLAND IS NEAR BUFFALO. MY FAVORITE ROSE?......WOW.....THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED HOW MANY ROSES I HAVE, BUT, I HAVE QUITE A FEW. OBVIOUSLY I MUST LOVE THEM ALL. HYBRID TEAS ARE GORGEOUS BUT, THEY ARE FUSSY, NEED SPECIAL TREATMENT. I LOVE THEM ANYWAY. I HAVE SHRUB ROSES, HEIRLOOM, DAVID AUSTIN, FLORIBUNDAS, ETC. EVERY COLOR YOU CAN THINK OF. A FEW OF MY FAVORITES ARE: FRAGRANT CLOUD(I LOVE FRAGRANT ROSES), JOHN KENNEDY, BONICA, MARY ROSE, SEVEN SISTERS(A VERY OLD SHRUB ROSE), FRENCH LACE, MR.LINCOLN, TROPICANA, TIFFANY, FOURTH OF JULY(A CLIMBER), GRAHAM THOMAS(ALSO A CLIMBER), I COULD GO ON AND ON, I HAVE SO MANY, ALL PICKED FOR A SPECIAL REASON.
ON TO THE SUBJECT OF SLUGS: I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM AS BEFORE BECAUSE I PUT OUT ON THE GROUND AROUND MY HOSTAS BEFORE THEY EMERGE A DETERRENT CALLED 'BUGGETA'. YOU CAN GET IT AT WAL-MART OR HOME DEPOT. IT IS GRANULAR AND HOLDS EVEN IF IT RAINS AND KILLS THE SLUGS. ALSO, YOU CAN TREAT THE PLANTS IN THE EVENING WITH A SOLUTION OF 80% WATER WITH 20% AMMONIA(NON-SUDSY) IN A SPRAY CAN. YOU CAN SPRAY RIGHT ON THE PLANTS, IT KILLS THE SLUGS ON CONTACT AND DOESN'T HURT THE PLANT, IN FACT, THEY WILL LOOK VERY HEALTHY THE NEXT DAY. NICE TALKING TO YOU. GOOD GARDENING!
(post #15384, reply #30 of 33)
Thank you for sharing your slug tips.
Wow I am impressed with the rose collection.... thank you for naming some of your favorites. Do you have an iceberg climbing rose? I do have a Iceberg floribunda rose which blooms all season. I am looking for a white all season bloomer for my trellis. any thoughts? I may use the double Arctic Queen clemantis which is white and blooms all summer.